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- WHAT IF someone you know says this to you?

Last Updated: 1/25/2012

"I really hate being around unvaccinated people.  I don't really care what you do with your kids, but unvaccinated children put me and MY children at risk.  They really should wear some sort of sign so that the rest of society KNOWs that they are putting us at risk.  They ought to stay home and not PUT any of us at risk.  Not vaccinating is irresponsible and these people have a duty to do what is best for the rest of society.  The benefits far outweigh the risks.  For that reason I expect people to respect my opinion and keep their children away from me and mine until my children are fully vaccinated.  Maybe you think that I should go live in seclusion , but my decision TO vaccinate doesn't put the UNVACCINATED child at risk.  I do realize that vaccinated children do pose some risk of passing diseases onto unvaccinated children and therefore I do expect to keep my recently vaccinated children away from others AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.  I just think people who chose not to vaccinate should keep their kids away from mine until I feel comfortable.  I think maybe we can all just agree to disagree here."

I asked the person asking the question a few clarifying questions:

* Is this person a relative, a casual acquaintance, a close friend, or a stranger in the grocery store?

A relative or a close friend would require a different response than would a stranger in the grocery or a casual acquaintance.  If the person is someone you never expect to be around, then it doesn't really matter if you come to a place of understanding with each other. 

Another thing to consider would be your time constraints.  If you're in the line at the grocery store you're not going to have as much time or available resources with which to dialog/debate/educate.  In these cases, perhaps just a one-line sentence with a source for information, or even your own business card in case they are truly seeking truth and want more information.  There are some people that have business cards that just have a few short lines like, "Investigate before you Vaccinate" and then a website with more information like:  www.nvic.org.  Sanevax.org will provide these business cards free for you to pass out.  It also has their website and a one-liner on the back about Gardasil.  Then Mary Tocco has a card she also provides free if requested that says, "Are vaccines Safe?"  Helping Parents make Informed Vaccine Decisions, with her name and contact information and website.  The back of her card has a list of vaccine ingredients like so:  Vaccine ingredients include:  aluminum, lead, anti-freeze, MSG, mercury, acetone, phenol, glycerin, formaldehyde, yeast, polysorbate 80 and MORE..." Then the ball is in their court as to whether or not to contact you or look at the information you've provided.  You have a clear conscience as to "speaking the truth".

If the person is a close friend or a family member and you wish to maintain a relationship with them, and you expect to spend time with them fairly often, then it is important to come to a place of "understanding" regarding when you will and will not bring your children around each other.              It's important within relationship to understand each person's opinion, how they came to it, and find a place of respect between you.  For that reason I would express that to the person and then  ask the person to share with me how they came to their conclusions and ask them to hear me out on mine.  If at that point, you still believe the way YOU did, and they still believe the way THEY did, then you just must come to the place of respectful disagreement.  That would include each of you sharing with the other when you are ill, and them when they've been vaccinated.  They can know that you are NOT being vaccinated ever, and you intend to go to family functions unless you or your child is ill.  They may the make the choice to attend or not based on that information, and you would expect that they will tell you if they intend to attend family functions right after vaccination so that you may make the choice to attend or not.  This can be tricky and result in hurt feelings, however if you face it head-on, openly and honestly then you should be able to come to an agreement about who stays/who goes. 

Once you've agreed to hear each other out, then I would present the following information:

* Nobody can transmit a disease they do not have.   Unvaccinated people are not "Typhoid Marys" full of germs, bacteria, viruses and diseases that are waiting to jump out on the unsuspecting vaccinated population.  In fact, unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated children.  You cannot acquire pertussis, tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, chickenpox, hepatitis A, B, or C from someone that does not have it.  Just because you are unvaccinated does not mean you are harboring these diseases. 

* People that are vaccinated with live virus vaccines DO transmit disease.  So in fact, her concern is invalid but yours is valid to want to avoid exposure to her children within 21 days of live vaccines.  An inactivated vaccine (killed/dead vaccine) consists of virus particles which are grown in culture and then killed using a method such as heat or formaldehyde.  These virus particles are destroyed and cannot replicate, but the virus capsid proteins are intact enough to be recognized by the immune system and evoke a response.  When manufactured correctly, the vaccine is not infectious, but improper inactivation can result in intact and infectious particles.  Since the properly produced vaccine does not reproduce, booster shots are required periodically to reinforce the immune response.  By contrast, an attenuated vaccine is prepared from live microorganisms or viruses cultured under adverse conditions leading to loss of their virulence but retention of their ability to induce protective immunity. Attenuation takes an infectious agent and alters it so that it becomes harmless or less virulent. These vaccines contrast to those produced by "killing" the virus (inactivated vaccine).  Some examples of attenuated vaccines are:  MMR, varicella, yellow-fever, nasal flu vaccine and rabies vaccine.  The viruses may be attenuated via passage of the virus through a foreign host such as:  tissue culture (including aborted fetal cell tissue), embryonated eggs, or live animals.  The initial microorganism population is applied to the foreign host.  One or more of these will possess a mutation that enables it to infect the new host.  These mutations will spread, as the mutations allow the microorganisms to grow well in the new host; the result is a population that is significantly different to the initial population, and thus will not grow well in the original host when re-introduced (hence is attenuated).  This makes it easier for the host’s immune system to eliminate the agent and thus create the immunological memory cells which will "likely” protect the patient if they are infected with a similar version of the microorganism in "the wild”.  There is a risk of reversion to virulence.  Attenuated vaccines cannot be used by immunocompromised individuals.  The oral polio vaccine was an attenuated vaccine and many cases of polio were attributed to that vaccine.  It has since been replaced most times with the inactivated polio vaccine, although it is still used sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inactivated_vaccine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/attenuated+vaccine

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/vaccines/understanding/pages/typesvaccines.aspx

http://www.immune.org.nz/?t=916

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

 

*Vaccination does not strengthen your immune system.  The components in a vaccine are damaging in and of themselves.  They do not make a person MORE healthy, IF they were working they way they are portrayed to work, they introduce a pathogen and stimulate the body to produce antibodies to that pathogen.  The other ingredients are damaging to the body, and depending on that person's particular makeup it can be mild to major to fatal.  Look at previous post.  

* Vaccination is NOT immunization.  Immunization is the process by which an individual's immune system becomes exposed to a foreign molecule and then orchestrates an immune response.  The next time the body encounters this molecule, it will quickly respond to the encounter  through immunological memory.  Immunization means  the body becomes immune to something, that only happens by getting a disease or by becoming exposed to a disease, and the body will then create its own immunity.  Vaccination is taking a man-made substance, (which includes some type of viral particle along with other ingredients) and to bypass the normal mechanisms of disease and to inject that substance into a child.  These are 2 totally different events.  They are not the same at all.  It really is NOT just semantics.  By interchanging the 2 terms, we are bowing to the pharmaceutical agenda of trying to normalize and legitimize vaccination as a viable alternative to natural immunity.

http://vactruth.com/2011/09/05/interview-dr-tim-oshea/?utm_source=The+Vaccine+Truth+Newsletter&utm_campaign=69486728a8-09_05_2011_O%27Shea&utm_medium=email

*  Vaccination does not provide natural or life-long immunity.  If it were working the way it is designed to work, it is an acquired immunity which is temporary and not very effective.  Natural immunity is what happens when your body encounters an organism and initiates a response from your immune system.  When the organism enters the body, complex chemical and mechanical activities are set into motion to defend and protect the body's cells and tissues. The foreign organism, usually a protein, is called an antigen, that is, one which generates the production of an antagonist. The most readily recognized response to the antigen is the production of an antibody. The antigen-antibody reaction is an essential component of the overall immune response. Of equal or greater importance to antibody, particularly for some antigens, is the development of the cell-mediated immune response. Cell-mediated response is the body activating antigen-specific cytotoxic T-lymphocytes that are able to induce apoptosis (cell death) in body cells displaying epitopes (antigen determinant or antibody) of foreign antigen on their surface, such as virus-infected cells, cells with intracellular bacteria, and cancer cells displaying tumor antigens.  So after the initial exposure, when that antigen enters the body again, the immune system "remembers" exactly how to respond to it, such as with chickenpox, and it will fight it off, and the body will not succumb to the illness again.An acquired immunity or artificial immunity is antigen specific immunity attributable to the production of antibody and of specific immune T lymphocytes (responsible for cell-mediated immunity), following exposure to an antigen, or passive transfer of antibody or immune lymphoid cells (adoptive immunity), such as by a vaccine. Infants are born with relatively weak immune responses. They have, however, a natural "passive" immunity; they are protected during the first months of life by means of antibodies they receive from their mothers. The antibody IgG, which travels across the placenta, makes them immune to the same microbes to which their mothers are immune. Children who are nurse also receive IgA from breast milk; it protects the digestive tract.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/natural+immunity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell-mediated_immunity

http://www.immunesystemremedies.com/natural-immunity.html

http://thyroid.about.com/library/immune/blimm16.htm

*Vaccinated children get the diseases they are vaccinated for anyway, sometimes as many as 2 out of 3 acquired cases are in vaccinated people.  In those cases then,  they have assumed 100% of the risk, for 0% of the proposed benefits.  Some scientists believe there are new strains of the bacteria that have evolved to evade the vaccines of today, while others believe that the vaccine is only effective for 3 years.  Dr. Heidi Stevenson points out that  "There are two kinds of bacteria that cause whooping cough: Bordetella pertussis and Bordetella parapertussis. Only one,B. pertussis has an associated vaccine."  She furthers asks " Is vaccination for B. pertussis causing these whooping cough outbreaks by providing a breeding ground for its cousin, B. parapertussis?"  When asked what do we really know about the increasing outbreaks of whopping cough?  She further states, "The only statement that can be made with clarity is that vaccinations are failing, If they ever worked, then they are losing their effectiveness.  If they NEVER worked, then something is making us more susceptible to whooping cough."

http://www.gaia-health.com/articles451/000484-whooping-cough-in-vaccinated.shtml

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/whooping-cough-vaccine-three-years_n_970139.html

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/sep/07/vaccinated-people-getting-whooping-cough-sd/

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2010/02/whooping-cough-evolves-to-esca.html

 

* Newborns do have some immunity already.  Their mother passes on her body's immunity to her newborn.  This only works with natural immunity though, not acquired or temporary.  It is called passive immunity and it starts to decrease after the first few weeks or months, but then breast milk takes over and gives immunity.  So if the mother encountered disease and has natural immunity, she passes those antibodies on to her baby.  Breastfeeding continues to provide immunity to the things the mother is exposed to.  This is why babies are immune to the germs in their own environment.  The mother produces antibodies to them in her breast milk.  Mothers kiss their babies and their body then develops immunity to the organisms on their baby, and then it passes to her breastmilk which baby then ingests.  Wha-laa!!  REAL IMMUNITY!!

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/939.aspx?CategoryID=54&SubCategoryID=135

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081026101713.htm

 * Vaccine Reactions are NOT always just mild minor annoyances.  They aren't always worth the risk.  The problem lies when you don't KNOW if you're more prone to a reaction due to an underlying condition or an already weakened immune system. Look here for previous post.

*  Who is most at risk of vaccine damage?

If you look on each particular vaccine package insert, there will be a list of people for which it is contraindicated.  You would not want to receive the vaccine if you are allergic to any of the component within it.  The problem with infants and young children is that we do not yet know what they may have an allergic reaction to.  There are so many children and adults now with life-threatening allergies to gluten, milk, peanuts, eggs, and MSG. 

The following is a partial listing of people who should not receive certain if not all vaccinations:

·         Immune compromised individuals

·         Individuals on immunosuppressive therapy

·         Sensitivity to yeast

·         Sensitivity to eggs

·         Sensitivity to MSG

·         Previous history of Guillain-Barre Syndrome

·         Hemoglobinopathies (blood disorders)

·         Cardio-respiratory disorders (heart and lung complaints)

·         Pregnancy

·         Asthma

·         Individuals on aspirin therapy 

·         Active TB infection

·         Malignant disease

·         Unstable neurological disease

·         Allergy to gelatin

·         Recent treatment with immune globulin (IG)

·         Sensitivity to thimerosal (mercury)

·         Sensitivity to latex

·         Individuals who are febrile

·         Anyone who has had any adverse effects to a previous vaccination

·         Anyone with an allergic reaction to streptomycin, polymyxin B, Poly-Rx

 

http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/public/files/medical-contraindication-form.pdf

http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Contraindications-people-who-shouldn-t-be-vaccinated-and-side-effects-From-The-Merck-Manual-vaccine-manufacturer-

 

In the end, it is our immediate family and our own children which we are ultimately responsible for.  We should "try to be at peace with all men"  especially our family members, but when that isn't possible, then speak the truth in Love and do what you know to be right.  Nevermind the harassment.

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